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October 13, 2009

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This post reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask: How reliable are the recent sales prices reported on Zillow? As it relates to appraisals, I've noted what appear to me to be wide sales price discrepancies that seem difficult to rationalize: Many examples abound, but think of the renovated ranch on Rock Road in Hortonville that went for $118,000 versus a similar house a few blocks away, on Main St., that went for $150,000 -- according to Zillow reported prices (I assume you know both houses). Apart from my curiosity about the reliability of Zillow info, wouldn't "irrational" sale price discrepancies between similar properties undermine the rationality of the theory of "comps" as an appraisal benchmark?


Everything on MLS is overpriced by 30-40%. That's my opinion.

It's ironic that banks are now the ones who must tell buyers this!

Binxy, saying everything is overpriced is a stretch. There are well priced listings on the MLS, you just have to find them. I've made a good business all year by being pretty adept at sniffing those out for my clients.

ar, the sales prices reported in Zillow are generally accurate; they come from the public record. What often isn't accurate is the property description --- beds, baths, square footage, etc. --- because that also is taken from the public record, and those records are notoriously inaccurate. Also, sales on Zillow tend to lag because Sullivan County because of the way the county makes sales data available.

An appraisal is a blend, of anywhere from 3 to 5 comps. The appraiser will weight the most responsive comp, in terms of proximity, size, style and sale date, the most heavily. If there are two comps that are similar, but with a wide price discrepency, the appraiser will attempt to rationalize those with each other to arrive at a value, and also take into account whether one was a distress sale (i.e. foreclosure, short sale, relocation or estate). If an appraiser was doing an appraisal on a similar ranch in Hortonville, both of those houses would be used as comps. The appraiser would also look further afield - possibly to recent sales in Jeffersonville, Callicoon or Youngsville, for additional support for a valuation and whether to tilt down or up. But the appraisal would likely tilt towards the higher of the two values, because there was a demonstrated market for that type of house at $150,000.

i thought the seller paid for contract preparation. and aren't home inspections traditionally done before contracts are signed, always a risk to buyers that they may lose the property anyway to a better offer after they pay for the inspection. i imagine a lost deal is an expensive lesson for all parties involved, since selling agents and buyer agents lose their commission and sellers lose the sale. do banks allow buyers to up their downpayment to make up for the difference between sale price and appraised value? it may take some time, but i would hope many sellers who lose the sale due to lower appraised values will face the music and accept the reality that real estate values are depreciating. it sounds as though some of the listing agents may be in denial.

Yes, the seller does pay for his or her attorney to prepare the contract. But the buyer also encounters contract related costs, for their attorney to review and amend the contract. As to your other points, buyers can increase their down payment to cover the appraisal gap, but few are willing to do so. If the bank says a house is only with X dollars, they're loathe to pay more than that.

A home inspection can be done at whatever point the buyer and seller agree it should be done. During the sellers market, it was almost always done before contracts, because sellers didn't want to incur any expenses for contract preparation before the buyers had done their inspection and made any repair requests. Today, I'm seeing it about 50/50, with more and more buyers insisting that they be in contract before shelling out for the inspection.

That seems to be an odd attitude, David. Shouldn't a buyer know before he signs a contract whether the house has a major defect or not? I'd think that a buyer's market would make buyers less willing to buy without an inspection that could turn up deal-killers or price-reducers.

Many buyers today don't want to shell out the money for an inspection until they have a binding contract. If they do an inspection prior to a contract, and the seller gets and accepts another higher offer, the buyers can get bumped from the deal if they don't want to pony up. So a lot aren't willing to take that chance.

When an inspection is done after a contract, the contract contains an inspection clause.

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