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February 01, 2010

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C'mon.

"Not enough houses" on the market!

You've got to be kidding us.

There are plenty of houses in Sullivan but the prices are still too high versus current market conditions. Buyers are kicking tires and they are NO rush.

I'd love to get your take on the Dec 2009 and January 2010 data.

Ferenc Milo

I beg to disagree. In certain categories, there just isn't inventory. How many 1,400 to 1,800 sq. ft. farmhouses on quiet roads in west county are on the market at the moment? It just isn't a matter of price. On Wanaksink Lake, there is ONE non-fixer, 768 sq. ft. on the market. And how many contemporaries with views? I agree that price is still an issue, but so is inventory in some categories. If I have a client looking for, say, a view contemporary up to $400,000, I have almost nothing to show them — even if I expand my search to sweep in houses at $500,000 or $600,000 that might be overpriced. Folks just aren't putting their houses on the market unless they have to.

And you sort of missed my point entirely. When a buyer finds a house they like that IS well priced, they're hesitant to push the button unless they've had a much wider selection of houses to choose from. It's worth noting that single family inventory in the Sullivan MLS is down about 20% since October!

We're having the opposite problem here in Manhattan.
There are currently 8500 unsold condos on the market.
That's a 6 year inventory to be absorbed!

http://thehousinghelix.com (NYC Leading Appraiser)

I am curious, is the fall in inventory since October partly seasonal - people taking their homes off the market for winter, or did alot of homes sell last fall? Also if sales picked up, how much was due to the first time buyer tax credit do you think? Thanks

History tells us:

Inventory is high during housing bubbles as sellers are motivated to sell (maximize profits)

Inventory is high during/after housing bouncing bottoms as many sales are a must sell (lost job, move, etc)

Inventory is Low during price discovery as sellers are in shock and waiting for things to improve.

You will know your geographic location is nearing bottom when inventory begins to climb. Sellers will hold off but eventually the sponge will no longer hold more water.

Very interesting point, Mr Hamilton. That's really what it feels like.

Michael,

I think your numbers are wrong. How do you calculate a six year inventory? The current inventory is ~8500 (including condos and coops but before shadow inventory) as per urbandigs.com. No way to get to a six year inventory using current or historical sales data.

henry, we focus on the absorbtion rate.
As of current, it tells us Manhattan has a 6-7 year inventory of condos/coops.

henry, this is a very good research summary put together by a NYC private capital firm.
The data is dismal at best.

http://www.westwoodcapital.com/opinion/images/stories/in-print-docs/foreclosuresfishfoodandthefinalfallinhomeprices.pdf

There was a similar situation when I was house hunting a zillion years ago, in the spring of 2008. There were very few houses that met our criteria, and the few that were any good were snapped up pronto. It became obvious after a while that it was just a very thin market.

Ferenc: Sure, there are plenty of houses, in theory. But too many are in undesirable areas, are on major roads, or otherwise have issues.

I think another factor, is how long, how many houses and how educated about house shopping is the buyer. I looked at 100 houses, spread over 3 counties for over a year. In the process, I lost one house with a slow offer, made a half hearted offer on another house, and came to understand what I wanted, and was willing to give up in a property. When the right house came along, we were ready to pull the trigger on the first showing. Perhaps many buyers are only ready to buy if a perfect house falls into their laps, and otherwise house hunting is really just a hobby for them.

Bix writes:

"Ferenc: Sure, there are plenty of houses, in theory. But too many are in undesirable areas, are on major roads, or otherwise have issues."

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Well, Bix, I guess that accounts for about 80% to 90% of the houses currently listed on the Sullivan MLS.

What happens to those houses Dave? Do they reside in some sort of twilight zone for eternity?

Scary.

F.

Michael,

Interesting article (especially quotes at end from Miller Samuel). Those numbers are similar to the numbers that I have heard (though have heard slightly higher numbers for the shadow inventory in NYC).

His "absorption" calc is different than I have seen before. Using his numbers (if I read correctly), I would calculate as follows: (8500 on market + 8500 shadow) / 9000 sales = ~ 2 years of inventory... which is a lot (not arguing otherwise).

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